作家 増田俊也オフィシャルサイト
Toshinari Masuda x Kunichika Harada
When the manga version "KIMURA" of "Why did Masahiko Kimura not kill Rikidoyama" started in the weekly public, a dialogue with cartoonist Kunichika Harada was held in Gong Martial Arts Magazine. Posted. I was nervous because I have been a longing teacher since I was a student, but it was a fulfilling dialogue.
Talking about the Taiga manga series "KIMURA".
"I was embarrassed not to know Mr. Nakai" (Harada)
——The manga “KIMURA” based on “Why did Masahiko Kimura not kill Rikidoyama” (Shinchosha), which was written on the cover as “Dedicated to the“ Men's Constellation ””, is now in the magazine “Weekly Mass”. It has been serialized in and has been receiving a great deal of attention. The "KIMURA" depicts a magnificent story that leads to the current MMA, including scenes that were not in the original. Today, I would like to ask Toshinari Masuda, the original author, and Kunichika Harada, a manga artist, to talk about their thoughts on the production of "KIMURA".
Thank you, Toshinari Masuda , Professor Harada. I really want to thank you ... Please describe Nakai (Yuki, the third junior of the Kitadai Judo Club) in "KIMURA".
Kunichika Harada I thought I should draw it. I didn't know anything ...
Toshinari Masuda said to the editorial staff of "Weekly Mass", "What on earth have we been looking at? I'm sorry to Mr. Nakai. The world view has changed completely." What I wanted to sue ..., I wrote in this "VTJ Eve Yuki Nakai " (published in the June 2009 issue of "Gong Martial Arts"), but at that time I wanted to deliver it to the world, but it did not reach, 1995 Nakai's battle at Vale Tudo Japan in the year ──, I'm really happy to make it into a manga. What's more, Nakai and Yoshida (Captain Hirohiro, Hokkaido University) and Kai (Captain Taisuke, Kyushu University), who are in sync with the university judo club, also drew me ...
——In the first place, what was your impression when Professor Harada first read “Kimura”?
Kunichika Harada I felt the feeling of interviewing like Mr. Masuda's obsession. I knew the story itself, but that's it ... I wonder what to say. I was overwhelmed by the obsession with eating like a soft-shelled turtle. Moreover, there is a time difference, isn't it? We are also carefully investigating the past.
——It is true that before and after the war, Jiu-jitsu and Judo, Japan and Brazil, etc. will expand beyond time and space. Mr. Harada is from Kyushu (Fukuoka). Was it close to Masahiko Kimura and Kumamoto dialect?
Kunichika Harada was raised in Kumamoto from the ground up, so his sons were sent to Chinzei (junior high school and high school) to go to Takushoku University, so it's the same as Masahiko Kimura. It's a coincidence.
"I'm the generation who grew up reading Harada-sensei's manga" (Masuda)
Toshinari Masuda I also had the "Pro Wrestling Superstar Retsuden" and "The Constellation of Men" drawn by Professor Harada with our youth. All of the works by Kajiwara Ikki, who wrote the original work, are the youth from my childhood. I think that the reason why there is professional baseball now is that there is a "Star of the Giants", which is a big part. It used to be the case when I was a kid, and the generation who grew up reading it still supports the fan base. Boxing was also recognized by the general public because of "Ashita no Joe". Isn't it the fan of Professor Kajiwara who has supported the industry? Once, in that way (since the arrest in the injury case, every media began to report various scandals every day, the serialization was discontinued, the book was out of print, etc.) The fame fell to the ground ... I was sad. hey. I feel the same sadness as Professor Kimura. I was shocked at that time, and I was very sad that the media hit all at once. I always think. Not only when Kajiwara-sensei, but when the media hits someone all at once, "Is that person really bad?" "Then, are all the hitters so wonderful?" I wonder if there must be one person on the side of protection. That is also the origin of my writing. Like me, not everyone is a big person. No human being is a big deal. Every saint lives with such works as making two or three major blunders in his life, doing terrible things to others, and doing sloppy things. Everyone is. However, with such regrets and karma, everyone lives hard every day. All human beings are bad people, and everyone is good people. Humans are like that. Not Shinran, but from heaven they are all the same. Kimura-sensei is the same, and Rikidozan is the same. Therefore, it is important to forgive each other. Forgiveness of the amnesty I said in the interview at the Oya Award, "forgiveness" must rise to a higher level than the "forgiveness" ... I think it is one of the roles of us writers to help our readers.
Kunichika Harada …….
Toshinari Masuda I cried when I saw this frontispiece. Just the frontispiece on the cover. Because, Professor Harada drew Kimura, Hixson, and Yuki Nakai on the same door and in the same size ... Along with Kimura in the world and Hixson in the world, they treated the three in exactly the same way ... When I saw this, I thought that Yuki Nakai really came to the world that he was the man who did what was left in the history of martial arts. No, I thought that I was able to reach the hearts of Professor Harada and the editorial department of the weekly public before it reached the world.
Kunichika Harada Yes ...
"I cried when I thought Nakai really intended to win" (Masuda)
Toshinari Masuda There is a scene I like in the pictures drawn by Professor Harada. The face of the man who is looking up is special. In "The Constellation of Men", there was a scene in which Professor Kajiwara was looking at the sky in a frontispiece. Nakai's frontispiece also has a terrible face when his face is hit by Gordo and his eyes are swollen, but he looks up only 10 or 15 degrees. There was an angle to look just above that line of sight, and when I saw it, Nakai really intended to win at that venue, so I thought so and cried and cried ...
Kunichika Harada Hey, did you see the intention of my painting so delicately ... I myself also say that if you don't make Mr. Masuda cry, it won't reach the readers. That's why I'm drawing while shaving my life. I used to draw only on the "opposite side" ... I myself am a Rikidozan generation (born in 1951), and even though I heard Masahiko Kimura's story, I grew up with the feeling that "No, Rikidozan is stronger." Our old men are also doing judo, and because of the atmosphere, or "pressure," I joined the judo club when I was in junior high school. But after all it's not good. After all, I'm not popular with women (laughs). In that respect, Rikidozan is very good at showing and showing things. Besides, there is a good guy who loses as a companion to the hero Rikidozan. I really liked the fact that such a corpse was stepped on and climbed into a dazzling ring. It feels like I was just looking at the light.
"I was watching that match from the professional wrestling side" (Harada) ——Behind the scenes, there were men who tried to get the world to recognize the serious game. When I saw "KIMURA" this time, I was surprised to hear the story of Vale Tudo Japan, which does not appear in the original book. It was published in a popular general magazine called "Weekly Mass", which is popular among professional wrestling.
Toshinari Masuda At first, the editorial department of the weekly public said, "Yuki Nakai? Readers can't read the story of such a minor fighter."
I was saying. I said, "That's not the case!" So I sent a lot of sentences written by "Yuki Nakai on the eve of VTJ" and the martial arts media at that time, and also sent a lot of videos at that time and said, "I'm the man who did such a great thing!" .. After reading such a thing and watching the video, both the editorial department and Professor Harada were surprised ... You didn't know what Yuki Nakai did. "What on earth have we seen and lived ... I'm sorry for Mr. Nakai ...", and from there, Professor Harada said, "I want to know more about Mr. Nakai. More and more. I want to draw it. " So now, in the serialization, he is giving Nakai the number of times over and over again. Didn't you know about this match at all?
Kunichika Harada No , I knew it. However, I wasn't at the venue because I was working, and at that time I didn't see Mr. Nakai at all. It's no different from the general audience. I'm the one who wanted a big guy to beat Hixson in the final and beat him . Even if you look at it once or twice, it's no wonder why you lose to Gracie. Isn't it like riding a horse like a quarrel between children? Why can't you beat that? What? I wasn't interested. I didn't read martial arts magazines, I just read what the professional wrestling side wrote. I wasn't really interested in mixed martial arts. If anything, I thought that professional wrestling would be stronger if I did it seriously. It's faster to screw it down with force. But with this ("Yuki Nakai on the eve of VTJ" and the video of VTJ95) ... I woke up. It was embarrassing, I didn't know. I'm sorry for Mr. Nakai who did such a great thing ... Sakuraba (Kazushi) was sick, but I really thought that Mr. Nakai would come first.
Toshinari Masuda But what Mr. Harada and the editorial department of the weekly public felt that way was not the power of the sentences I wrote or the power of the person who took the video, but the power of Nakai himself. What Nakai did, Yuki Nakai, made it so. I think I was struck by the energy of a human being and a man, with a person named Yuki Nakai diverging.
——Mr. Masuda also said that he was “embarrassed” when he was watching that match.
Toshinari Masuda Looking at the venue, I thought I would lose. I was going to see Nakai lose. Gordo was a foul addict with a height difference of 28 cm and a weight difference of 29 kg, and he was probably only a heavyweight. Craig Pittman in the second round also weighs 115 kg.
——What does it really mean to win ...
"A fighter with that kind of spirit is unprecedented" (Masuda)
Toshinari Masuda I didn't think. That's why Gordo is trying to win by fighting for nearly 30 minutes while grasping the rope, taking one in the semi-final with an arm cross, going up to Hixson, and even winning Hixson. A person with such a high level of consciousness and aspiration was a junior who was younger than me. Nakai was really trying to win the victory. So ... I was embarrassed. The low aspirations of myself. Only Nakai himself believed that he would beat Gordo. There is such a difference in body size, and at that time there was still only the image of the ultimate tournament, so it would be scary. No one can do it. Moreover, I continued to fight even if my eyes were scooped out, and I still can't believe it. I often talk to Mr. Tatsuzawa (who appears as a quasi-leader in "Seven Emperor Judoki" at the same time as Masuda's Kitadai Judo Club), but both Yasuhiro Yamashita and Chiyonofuji in their heyday said "It hurts" and played the match. Will interrupt. Previously, Mr. Koichi Yabutani wrote in Gon style, but a fighter with such spirituality is probably unprecedented.
Kunichika Harada I feel a great aesthetic that I didn't say anything about it.
Toshinari Masuda Thinking about the future of mixed martial arts, you also hid your blindness for a year.
Kunichika Harada Usually you make a fuss. Because it makes a lot of noise just because it's oiled (bitter smile). Mr. Nakai would definitely have an advantage if he appealed, but he chose to continue fighting and took one at the end.
Toshinari Masuda He was only 24 years old at that time. Such a young ... I can't even be 47 years old now, but I wonder if human beings are so ambitious and strong ... All of them are heavyweight, and it's scary that only one person like this is tiny when they line up on the ring at the opening ceremony. I've never done mixed martial arts, I've only done judo, but I still understand. Anyone who has done any other martial arts should know. I never dreamed that I was really trying to win instead of breaking the jade. This time, Mr. Harada also drew about Hirohiro Yoshida (Captain of Hokkaido University) and Taisuke Kai (Captain of Kyushu University) who were in sync with Nakai in Nanatei Judo. Even if I told the club, Mr. Harada said, "No, I'm drawing. I have to draw." He said that he drew it ... Thank you very much.
"I wanted to draw Mr. Nakai's backbone" (Harada)
What do you call Kunichika Harada ..., backbone ... I don't know Mr. Nakai himself, so I have no choice but to imagine it, but I think it's amazing that he really felt death close to him. I felt that way when my classmate died. Mr. Nakai ... I'm alive and the one of the same age is dead ... I'm a fellow who was doing the same judo, and I'm the only one left ... I think it's a feeling of survival in a kamikaze corps or something like that. It feels like an old Japanese person. I think Hixson often referred to Nakai as a "samurai."
——It also leads to Kosen judo judo masters, Tatsukuma Ushijima, Masahiko Kimura, Kaneo Iwatsuri, Yuki Nakai and Shinya Aoki, Erio and Hixson, and modern MMA. I feel that this is a modern "man's constellation" by Mr. Masuda and Mr. Harada.
Kunichika Harada It would be great if that were the case.
Toshinari Masuda I'm about 50 years old, but I don't know when I'll die. However, if there is this scene drawn by Professor Harada, Yuki Nakai, a fighter, will be passed down to posterity. I'm really grateful to Dr. Harada and the editorial department for thinking that this legendary game, which was known only to core martial arts fans, will be passed on to people who read ordinary weekly magazines and ordinary manga forever. is. How painful would it be if you were hit or scooped out of your eyes? I think that imagination is fading to the Japanese people today.
——Yuki Nakai's episode seems to have been drawn for a long time, far beyond the schedule.
Kunichika Harada I have to draw it exactly. Especially my generation is misunderstanding, and I think there are many people who have been left behind for a long time. That's just how this series tells you the facts, oh, that's right ...
In the book of Toshinari Masuda 's "Kimura", Nakai confessed to me, "I'm sorry, I told a lie at that time. I couldn't say" Mr. Kimura lost "." You wrote it, didn't you? Nakai told me that I had to change the content from there. However, I was able to bow my head to the person who did such a thing, with my hand. For the man who fought Vale Tudo, not MMA or mixed martial arts with the same rules as now. The weight is also indiscriminate, and you cannot win unless you win three times a day. Looking at the video at that time, even Hixson was nervous in the waiting room. "Who is next?" "Who is next?", Walking around drinking water.
"Satoru Sayama who raised Mr. Nakai to the ring is also amazing" (Harada)
Kunichika Harada It's a video sent by Mr. Masuda. It was very realistic for Nakai, who had won, to enter Hixson's waiting room.
Toshinari Masuda This is a video of Hixson's documentary film "CHOKE" overseas. Nakai, who won the semi-final and pulled up Hanamichi, shouted "Hey! Hixson!" And tried to get into the waiting room saying "I'm up to the final." Second Asahi (Noboru) and Kuhei desperately pulled their arms with "Nakai!" To suppress Nakai's excitement. Seeing that, he was fighting from the first round with the intention of really beating Hixson ...
Kunichika Harada At that time, I was hoping that Mr. Nakai would remain until the end, and at least Yamamoto (Yoshihisa) would go up. In short, I thought it would have been better if there was a difference in body size and there was at least one who could win. I didn't know anything, I just thought so by appearance. With one-sided coverage ...
Toshinari Masuda I think it was only Nakai who really thought that Nakai would come up to the final at that venue.
Kunichika Harada When I saw Mr. Nakai's photo after the match, he was still motivated while wearing a bandage on one eye.
Toshinari Masuda I think he overturned the public's reputation and thought that he was "the future" as a player ...
Kunichika Harada That's right ... However, I thought that Satoru Sayama, who brought Nakai to this place, was also amazing. I was watching it a lot. When Sayama turned to the martial arts side, I thought it was a waste. I think it's okay to take it from the world. Because at that time it was more popular than Inoki. He is a genius, and he runs too much to catch up with him. It's too early, everything. Foreigners were enthusiastic about Tiger Mask in New York. I thought that was enough, but I thought I was still looking up, so I was interviewing for a while. I also went there when I made an octagonal ring at an American school and showed it. However, when I thought, "Oh, Sayama won't go up to the ring anymore." I like Sayama itself, so I wanted to see him go up to the ring as a player. Sayama himself would have been painful, though. But I don't think the vision is going that far. What you see and the scenery are completely different. This one is still looking at Sayama while dragging a tiger mask. However, I think it's amazing to see the next generation, Nakai, there.
It seems that Toshinari Masuda was also directly appealing to Nakai at that time. "Please put me out." Wheeler's black belt, Artu Kacha, and Bali Japan Rule drew and allowed him to admit. As Mr. Harada said earlier, I don't say it, but I think I had various feelings for my friends who had died. That's how it reaches the world ... No, it doesn't have to be martial arts. I'm glad that people who are working hard are recognized in this way.
Kunichika Harada Isn't Mr. Nakai so unknown? My current impression is that it was the moment when I was willing to do it. At that time, I missed it. I just passed and it didn't work in the final. Only Hixson was conscious. Nakai was doing something that everyone hadn't imagined ...
"That game is also the origin of" Seven Emperor Judoki "" (Masuda)
Toshinari Masuda I mentioned earlier that Nakai's best friend had died, but when I wrote "Seven Emperor Judoki" (Kadokawa Shoten), I thought this way. If my synchronous Tatsuzawa (Hiromasa) in that work died at the age of 23 or 24 soon after he retired, what kind of life would I have had since then? I wrote that work with Nakai's feelings.
Since both Nakai and I are deputy captains, the fact that captain Yoshida died is the same as the death of captain Tatsuzawa for me. When Hirohiro Yoshida went to his parents when he died, his mother and his family wanted to ask me, "What kind of life did Hirohiro live in Hokkaido?" There was such a good thing, I made people laugh like this, I wanted to hear any small episode that everyone loved me even though I had such a mess. If Tatsuzawa died at the age of 23 or 24, Tatsuzawa's father and mother would want to hear the same. I wrote it with that in mind. Other characters wrote with the same feeling and wholeheartedly. I wrote to my family to explain, "This was such a charming man." So I was crying all the time I was writing. If they weren't there, my life would have been completely different. I have never forgotten about Hirohiro Yoshida, even though I am three terms away. There was no such attractive man. I can't imagine the feelings of Yoshida's fellows, including Nakai, and their bereaved families ... I was asked by a martial arts official when the Gon rank that "VTJ Eve ~" was published. "Mr. Nakai often asks me about the days of the Kitadai Judo club at the liquor table, but I didn't know about Mr. Yoshida because I had never spoken to him." Nakai's feelings when he heard that
I really thought about it. If my best friend at the same time is the strongest captain in judo at the height of his youth, and he's gone in the future ... I don't say it, so it sounds extra. I've never heard of it, and I can't. At that time, when I lined up at the Budokan ring, only Nakai was small. But I was prepared to do it ... Hirohiro Yoshida and Taisuke Kai, as well as shooting, establishing a ring for serious competition ... I was carrying various things on my back with that small body ...
"I think Professor Kajiwara also wanted to draw more Masahiko Kimura" (Harada)
--I see……. The first part of the manga series, the opening, was a picture of Masahiko Kimura sticking the tip of a dagger to his belly. Why did Mr. Harada go with this picture?
Kunichika Harada I was really worried about this first cover ... What do you say? In short, there is a part like Kimura's contradiction that he was prepared but did not seppuku. I wondered if the reader would be more interested in Masahiko Kimura if it came out as Pan at the beginning. This part is a mystery, isn't it? I ... I wanted you to be seppuku. In the manuscript of Professor Kajiwara of "The Constellation of Men", there was a scene that "Kimura is wandering around with a dagger", and when I drew it in the picture, I also hated it. Kajiwara-sensei didn't like it either. "Why is Kimura in the world?", I really understand the feelings of Professor Kajiwara.
Toshinari Masuda Why is it a dagger? Mr. Oyama (Mas Oyama) also said that. "Why don't you go with your bare hands?"
Kunichika Harada That's right. I'm crazy. The feeling of the person is a mystery, isn't it? A human who was always hungry aimed at him with a dagger. That's the Rikidozan battle ...
Toshinari Masuda In a sense, Nakai was seppuku at Vale Tudo Japan. I'm sure Professor Kimura would have been at the age of 24 in the Rikidozan battle ... But it was 37 years old after the war ...
——The perspective of Professor Harada's work so far has often been on the Rikidozan side or on the professional wrestling side. I think that readers so far may be criticized as "Isn't it a conversion?"
Kunichika Harada That's right ... It's completely like "payment" for me.
Toshinari Masuda Settlement, isn't it ...
Kunichika Harada I was just drawing professional wrestling. From the point of view, there is also a part of the popularity of professional wrestling at the expense of Masahiko Kimura. Even if Masahiko Kimura wins at that time, I feel that professional wrestling was useless. Even so, at that time, although it was not a human sacrifice, the big prewar big name Masahiko Kimura sank like a sacrifice, and the new sun called Rikidozan was rising. So, if Professor Kajiwara wrote the continuation of "The Constellation of Men", I would imagine what he would have written. There is no reason not to write it. I'm the one who loved and longed for that much.
Toshinari Masuda I'm from Kumamoto, the same as Professor Kimura, and Professor Kajiwara, who was longing for Professor Kimura and practicing judo.
"Maki-sensei was trying to write a sequel to'The Constellation of Men'" (Harada)
Isn't it real-time for Professor Kunichika Harada ? Moreover, I have witnessed it during adolescence. That's why I really wonder how I wrote it. What attracted me most about "KIMURA" was Mr. Masuda's words, "It's a continuation of that (of the" constellation of men ")." Maki (Hisao, Kajiwara's younger brother) also wanted to write that. Two years before I entered the demon register, I called "I'm thinking of writing, so is there any magazine (magazine to publish)?"
Toshinari Masuda After all, I had the idea that Maki-sensei would continue.
This is the second time for Kunichika Harada. It happened once a long time ago, but at that time, my wife (Ikki Kajiwara) seemed to be against it, and she said, "That's unfinished and completed," in the presence of Maki. .. That's why I think I withdrew. But about two years ago, I said "I want everyone to write the continuation" over the phone, so I also said "Yes, if Maki-san writes it." Shin.
——When I saw this door painting, I felt it was very powerful. It seems that Mr. Harada's determination is also conveyed ....
Kunichika Harada Well, that's right ... I feel like I'm motivated to be killed. No, I'm really dying. Serialization at this age.
——You have already passed the 60th birthday.
Kunichika Harada At first, I said it was impossible. I said it would be 10 years earlier ... But after all, after reading "Masahiko Kimura", why are you going to cover it so stubbornly? Mr. Masuda has always had something that I had thrown away when I was young. that's why…….
Toshinari Masuda The origin of that obsession was, after all, Nakai's game. I saw this (VTJ95) ...
Kunichika Harada Yeah. But usually, if it's past thirty, I'll throw it away (laughs).
——Imagine that it will be difficult to lift your feelings like “The Constellation of a Man” again after passing 60.
Kunichika Harada That's what I wanted to draw. I didn't want others to draw it. Kimura, Rikidozan battle. There are times when I didn't want the calyx to draw. It's already really big in me. Rikidozan and Masahiko Kimura ... After all, there is a place where I want to step on the home base. It doesn't matter if it's a running home run ... Somehow, I feel like I was wandering around the second base. Just hit it. There was a part of indigestion. Even professional wrestling was halfway. Due to Kajiwara-sensei's case, "Retsuden" was interrupted due to bashing from the media. Why does it end? I thought. why? I wish I could continue writing.
Isn't "The Constellation of a Man" full of things that you can never write again? That's when Dr. Kajiwara passed away ... I wasn't really motivated. Maybe it's because Professor Kajiwara wrote the original, but he can't draw a lie. I want to draw a lie if it's a good lie. If it's something like Professor Kajiwara that teaches you how to see your dreams. I wonder, it's completely different. After all, something like passion is different. It was really the best entertainment. That's why I realized later that I had been baptized tremendously. I can see that I was reading like a reader when I was receiving the original work by Professor Kajiwara. I'm the first reader. "Wow, did you come this way?" That's why I had to give the baton to the next person, so I felt like I couldn't give it unless I drew it properly. But ..., after all, when I got another (original), I often wondered, "Well, is this okay?"
"I have the soul of Professor Harada who wants to tell the reader" (Masuda)
——Let's say, “The Constellation of a Man” was a full-scale autobiographical work that was even touted as a “retirement work”. I hear that Dr. Harada immediately answered, "Please," when the story came, even though there were no publishers or painters who would be willing to accept it due to the influence of the incident. After drawing the "last manuscript" with Professor Kajiwara and seeing the summit, it was difficult to work on a new work.
Kunichika Harada Generally, I don't like to draw too much. If you want to draw it easily, you can draw it. But if it's drawn exactly as you imagined, it feels really good. When I read Kajiwara-sensei's original work, it felt like I was copying the image that came to my mind. Even an impossible scene or composition can be drawn with imagination. I wonder what that is ... I don't think I can get serious after "that". Really, manga is hard. Everyone is drawing their lives. That's why I felt like I couldn't draw without something to draw with my life ... It really feels like an addiction symptom, based on Kajiwara-sensei's original work.
Besides, it's hard to draw a real person. There was something that I could write because I was Professor Kajiwara. So, after that, I drew by interviewing professional golfers, Choshu (Riki) and Fujinami (Tatsumi), but ... I wonder what I'm saying, only the surface becomes smooth. I thought that everyone could often do various productions there and draw something interesting and show to people. After all, I refrain from actually meeting. I think I'll draw it well. However, when Kajiwara-sensei's original work was done, I was mercilessly drawing it. Don't hesitate at all. Those who were considered weak were drawn to be really weak. However, if I interview myself, even the loser will cut corners. That's why I can't draw like this. I can't make Mr. Nakai so ugly. I haven't met Mr. Nakai, and I'm really unforgiving right now. But instead, I want to bring Yuki Nakai to the forefront. Maybe Masuda-san would be here ...
Toshinari Masuda I can't write ...
Kunichika Harada Don't make it so bumpy in the text. I cried (laughs).
Toshinari Masuda It's a great soul, Mr. Harada's. I want to tell the reader.
Kunichika Harada: At that time, Mr. Nakai fought for minutes, not just his body. My heart is also tattered. Alone at this venue. In the terrible heckler, there is no one who is saying something crazy.
Toshinari Masuda When I slept like this in the game against Gordo, I said "Cammon!", Nakai.
Kunichika Harada With a swollen face.
Toshinari Masuda I have never seen a person with that kind of spirituality.
Kunichika Harada It's a minor news nationwide, and it won't be praised. No one will appreciate it after losing. The hardest pattern. In a sense, it's more painful than Masahiko Kimura. Masahiko Kimura had what he had, and if he had to be careful, he would have won. Because Mr. Nakai just beat two people and lost to one, but no one has praised him in the world.
Toshinari Masuda , but thanks to Mr. Harada and the editorial department of "Weekly Mass", the fact that only the core fans of martial arts knew until now is conveyed to various people. I hope it helps the fighters who live in the present somewhere ... When a martial artist returned to the countryside and said, "I'm doing martial arts," he said, "Oh, I've seen it in Choshu," and laughed bitterly, "Hixson and Nakai. There are always people who say, "Is it amazing?" Nowadays, some people may say that Bali Japa doesn't bring up old stories, but I'd like to keep telling them until the world is understood in my field. I want to keep fighting the world. Because I don't have the skills to fight MMA, I don't have the strength, and I don't have the skills to teach. That is what Nakai and his leaders and players do. Each fights against the world in their own field. Then, martial arts will reach the world again in a new way. At that time, martial arts should be recognized in the true sense of the world, not the martial arts bubble that was used in Pride. Until that is done, I will appeal to the world with a brush in my field.
"I'm drawing seriously while drinking supplements" (Harada)
——I think Professor Harada was also impressed by that passion. Earlier, you said that you didn't feel motivated when Dr. Harada and Dr. Kajiwara passed away, but it seems that there was a time when you put your brush down.
Kunichika Harada Ah ... you were a ramen shop. All my work is done suddenly ... That was "I didn't want others to draw" (bitter smile). I thought I was still feeling that way, too.
Toshinari Masuda I quit university and worked as a civil engineer when Professor Harada was running a ramen shop. After that, I broke my body ... However, I think that there is a landscape that can be drawn only by Mr. Harada and I, who have set foot on the ground in this way. Both of them are of good age in the Showa generation, but sometimes they talk to young writers and manga artists today about trying not to lose in the soul part.
Kunichika Harada That's right. The part of feelings. But after all the body is ... (bitter smile). I've been saying this for a long time, but it's the pattern I don't want to die the most. I drew the manuscript and died, so there is still an editor who strokes my chest saying "Oh, I'm glad that the manuscript was up" (laughs). There are many people, such manga artists. So I said I didn't want to be that much, but it feels like I'm pushing into that, right now (bitter smile).
Toshinari Masuda serialized in the weekly magazine, isn't it really hell? The teacher said on the phone with a joke, but I think there is something serious about it.
Kunichika Harada , so I'm drinking supplements all the time. I also buy health equipment and do it. Really, my legs are cramped. My legs cramped when I was at a ramen shop, but my legs cramped even though I was just sitting! I thought. It's odd, time to sit.
——I heard that you used to wear a corset when you were drawing.
Kunichika Harada But when I was young, I wouldn't do this much. I could draw it more easily. Therefore, it may be more desperate now, in the picture. My eyes are double. I will draw properly when I can see it properly. And I feel like I can rest my eyes as soon as I get tired. Please forgive some distortion (laughs).
Toshinari Masuda I really learned a lot from seeing the passion of such a life-threatening teacher for his work. I am happy to be able to meet a first-class teacher in this way.
--is that so. The original has an ending, but is the picture decided within Professor Harada?
Kunichika Harada It's still quite vague. Where are you going? There is a feeling like that.
Toshinari Masuda Izumi (former captain of the Hokkaido University Judo Club, a doctor and a priest of the Jodo Shinshu sect, who is also a doctor and a priest of the Jodo Shinshu sect. Mr. Harada's feelings toward Nakai are that various souls are led by the men who died earlier and became constellations. It was Professor Kajiwara, Professor Kimura, Professor Rikidozan, Nakai's best friends Hirohiro Yoshida and Taisuke Kai ...
——I remembered the words Izumi-san said in the Hiroshima dialect in “Seven Emperor Judoki”, “I think it's a living thing.
Toshinari Masuda Oh. That word was introduced in the cultural aspect of the Nihon Keizai Shimbun. It was posted as it was as the captain of the Kita University Judo Club. During this time, Tatsuzawa's words were also published in "AERA". I was very happy. I thought it had reached the world. What I'm doing steadily is gradually reaching.
——If you find out that Dr. Harada wants to draw this now, Dr. Kajiwara will be happy too.
I hope it's Kunichika Harada . You might be asked if you're still doing it (laughs).
Before Toshinari Masuda , Professor Harada was talking about it. It seems that Mr. Kajiwara stood at the bedside of Mr. Kajiwara's wife. So he said happily, "This (heaven) is fun." "Everyone is here". When I heard that, I felt very radiant. By the way, I heard that Mr. Iwatsuri also came to Mr. Iwatsuri's wife.
Kunichika Harada Is that so?
Toshinari Masuda When I was crying with my hands together in front of the Buddhist altar, Mr. Iwatsuri came and rubbed my back all the time. After many hours, I was told "I have to go home soon", and when I said "Why" and touched Mr. Iwatsuri's body, it was very cold. When I suddenly noticed it, it had disappeared.
Kunichika Harada That's right ... Of course, I would like Professor Kajiwara to read this series, and I would like to make it a work that many people can read, such as Professor Kajiwara, Masahiko Kimura, Rikidozan, and Yuki Nakai.
Toshinari Masuda That's right. I think it will be a work in which the constellations of men who blink in the heavens can be read while drinking alcohol with everyone who used to say, "There was something like this."
(Published in the August 2013 issue of "Gong Martial Arts")
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▶ Click here for an interview with Toshinari Masuda, "Talking about the Seven Emperor Judoki and Yuki Nakai."
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* The August issue of "Gong Martial Arts" in which this dialogue was published reports on the forefront of martial arts in all worlds, including the UFC. It is full of wonderful articles such as Shinya Aoki VS Kron Gracie's dream showdown. Shinya Aoki is Yuki Nakai's strongest disciple, and Kron Gracie is the son of Rickson Gracie. It was a dream showdown where the gene collided for the first time in 18 years since Vale Tudo Japan 95 in 1995.
